the small elite don't get us. they call us wacky. they call us wing nuts. we call us, we the people. >> well, you know, i mean, jonathan, i have to tell you, i'm not unimpressed. your thoughts. >> no. yeah, look she's got a natural stage presence. she obviously makes a very good sell. and she's got sort of a palinesque feel for how really drive in that sort of class wedge and try to sort of frame this election as us versus them. you know, those people. so she's definitely got some talent. >> who's the bad guy? who's the bad guy when she's talking? who's the implicit devil out there thaez that she's got? because palin, you know who it is. >> sure. >> but who's the bad guy when she's talking, same person. >> sure, liberal elites. the ivy-league types, the media, et cetera. >> you got. >> the challenge, chris, though, she's not running in alaska. she's running in a state that -- except for the southern tier is mostly a northeastern style, suburban/urban place where a lot of voters are center or center left. and it's going to be tough for her to win in that sta